# Toad Freeware Expired **URL:** \ **Category:** Toad for Oracle & DevOps Toolkit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518 "2011-06-21T02:47:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/41 "2011-06-28T02:05:55Z")
Morning Monty, Please read this all the way to the end, and then read it again, following the steps one by one EXACTLY! Thanks. > > Today is June 27th, 2011 > > Different time zone to me then! It's 28th here! 😉 > > and the TOAD Freeware download is NOT working. > > Oh yes it is, I know this for a fact because I downloaded it and it > > works. My one was originally dated September 2010 and it updated quite > > happily when I did as follows. > > I have to reset my system clock to run TOAD Freeware. > > Hmmm. > > Please fix it!! Somebody? > > One more time, then you are going to have to supply proper details of > > "what is not working" alongside "exactly what you did". 1. I presume you have had FreeToad installed in the past? If so, you already have a folder for the install. If not, download (you may already have done so) and execute the installer. Go to step 2 when you have installed it. 2. Download the update - if you have not done so already - from the website so frequently given here this past week. [http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.as](http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.as) px 3. Extract the single file inside it - note the name, toadfreeware.exe it's not toad.exe. (Clue!) 4. Try double-clicking on toad.exe in the free toad install folder. It has expired yes? Good, rename or delete that toad.exe file. You don't need it and it is of no use. Now, as a test, run it again from your normal shortcut - does it fail? Cannot find toad.exe? Good! If it still says expired, you are updating the wrong folder by the look of things. (or do your shortcuts reference toadfreeware.exe rather than toad.exe?) 5. Now, in that same folder where toad.exe was, double click on toadfreeware.exe - it works yes? If no, then your download "worked" but you have been fed toad's update zip file either from browser cache or your proxy cache. It's up to you to make those cache's go away so that you can get to the latest update file. Caching is in your browser or in your company's proxy - not a Quest problem at all. 6. Rename toadfreeware.exe to toad.exe to replace the expired one. (Or edit your shortcuts to execute toadfreeware.exe rather than toad.exe.) 7. Try running toad free from your icons/shortcuts/however you normally run it. It works yes? 8. Job done. I suspect you have not been following this list too closely and are possibly not aware that the updated file is now called toadfreeware.exe but your previous shortcuts etc all pointed at toad.exe. Because you extracted the new named file, your shortcuts still execute the expired toad.exe file and not the new one - toadfreeware.exe. Because I _know_ the download works and the file extracts and runs - when either it or the shortcuts are renamed, then either you are doing something wrong or you are being foiled by your browser/proxy cache. If, after following the above steps, it still doesn't work, please get back detailing everything you did in order and please supply the file names and dates for the toadfreeware.exe file that you download. Thanks. HTH Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] Information in this message may be confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately, delete it and do not copy it to anyone else. We have checked this email and its attachments for viruses. But you should still check any attachment before opening it. We may have to make this message and any reply to it public if asked to under the Freedom of Information Act, Data Protection Act or for litigation. Email messages and attachments sent to or from any Environment Agency address may also be accessed by someone other than the sender or recipient, for business purposes. If we have sent you information and you wish to use it please read our terms and conditions which you can get by calling us on 08708 506 506. Find out more about the Environment Agency at [www.environment-agency.gov.uk](http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk) ---
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/42 "2011-06-28T07:34:26Z")
[http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.as](http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.as) px Watch out for wrapping of the above URL - it should all be on one line. Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] Information in this message may be confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately, delete it and do not copy it to anyone else. We have checked this email and its attachments for viruses. But you should still check any attachment before opening it. We may have to make this message and any reply to it public if asked to under the Freedom of Information Act, Data Protection Act or for litigation. Email messages and attachments sent to or from any Environment Agency address may also be accessed by someone other than the sender or recipient, for business purposes. If we have sent you information and you wish to use it please read our terms and conditions which you can get by calling us on 08708 506 506. Find out more about the Environment Agency at [www.environment-agency.gov.uk](http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk) ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Lerch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/mark_lerch/32/33_2.png) [@Mark\_Lerch](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/Mark_Lerch)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/43 "2011-06-28T09:08:53Z")
The link is provided twice in this very post you replied to. ---
**Author:** ![bobbymcgee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@bobbymcgee](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/bobbymcgee)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/44 "2011-07-22T10:17:50Z")
Norm, it is _NOT_ fixed. Please don’t be condescending, you appear “whingy and uppity!” I downloaded and installed “ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi” as a local file (outside of my browser). TOAD freeware continues to report the software has expired, even after performing more drastic measures to remove the previous “expired” version of TOAD 10.6 Freeware (clearing all cache files, clearing temp files, deleting hkcu and hklm quest\toad oracle keys. The update “ToadFreeware.exe” refuses to run. It continues to report “TOAD has encountered an unexpected error. Details: TOAD cannot access necessary installation files…” I then downloaded and installed TOAD Oracle Freeware “ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi” on a new PC that has never seen TOAD. TOAD is reporting “This version of Toad for Oracle has expired. You must download a new version before proceeding.” I sir am now 100% positive it is not a client issue. I understand the implications of “freeware”. Regardless, this reflects on the entire product line and does not bode well for any Quest software. Please reconsider your statements. ---
**Author:** ![GTDG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/gtdg/32/140_2.png) [@GTDG](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/GTDG)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/45 "2011-07-22T10:17:50Z")
From a previous and one of MANY on the subject - 1. Go here: [http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.aspx](http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.aspx) 1. Click the second button which says "Download Update": 2. This downloads the Toad executable, which is named "ToadFreeware.exe." 3. Copy ToadFreeware.exe into your Toad Freeware installation directory, for example: C:\Program Files (x86)\Quest Software\Toad for Oracle 10.6 Freeware 1. Rename ToadFreeware.exe to Toad.exe. ![image001.png](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/quest/original/2X/0/0655f1985e8de9b5069eef422317c1315f055d02.png) ---
**Author:** ![mstaszew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/mstaszew/32/23_2.png) [@mstaszew](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/mstaszew)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/46 "2011-07-22T10:17:50Z")
You screwed something up somewhere. I just uninstalled and reinstalled without issue. Download the installer (unless you have it installed) Download the updated exe and place in your installation folder \*\*\* VERY IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL STEPS FOLLOW \*\*\* DELETE OLD TOAD.EXE RENAME THE UPDATED EXE TO TOAD.EXE ---
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/47 "2011-07-22T10:25:29Z")
Hi Booby, > Norm, it is _NOT_ fixed. > I'm afraid it always was. Sorry. > Please don't be condescending, you appear > "whingy and uppity!" > I did use a smiley to indicate humour, apologies if you took it otherwise. > I downloaded and installed "ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi" as a > local file (outside of my browser). > Ok, that's the main installer, which installs lots of files that free > toad requires. This is good. However, please note that the toad.exe > within that installation is expired, most likely, by now. It will need > to be replaced by downloading and unpacking the update. > TOAD freeware continues to report the software has expired, > This is indeed the problem I alluded to above. Try double clicking on > toad.exe in the above install directory (wherever you put it) and > confirm that it has expired. If so, delete the file. > even after performing more drastic measures to > remove the previous "expired" version of TOAD 10.6 Freeware (clearing > all cache files, clearing temp files, deleting hkcu and hklm quest\toad > oracle keys. > Probably unnecessary, but not a bad thing either. > The update "ToadFreeware.exe" refuses to run. It continues > to report "TOAD has encountered an unexpected error. Details: TOAD > cannot access necessary installation files.." > This is a simple one. First of all, this message is not in any way indicating that toad has expired. The real reason is because the exe file is not located in the same folder that you installed into using the above mentioned \*.msi installer. I mention above that the installer creates a whole pile of files that toad free needs. Wherever you have currently got the update file uncompressed into, copy toadfreeware.exe into the correct location. Once there double-click it to make sure that it works. It does? Good, try using your shortcut - if it still works, job done. If it fails to run, edit the shortcut and ensure it points to toadfreeware.exe OR rename toadfreeware.exe to toad.exe and try again. > I then downloaded and installed TOAD Oracle Freeware > "ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi" on a new PC that has never seen > TOAD. TOAD is reporting "This version of Toad for Oracle has expired. > You must download a new version before proceeding." > Yes indeed. The installer is created once for every release of Toad, but > never ever replaced until a new Toad comes out. By this I mean that when > Toad 10 comes out Toad Free 10 comes out and a new installer is uploaded. After 30 days, or whatever, the installed toad file will indeed expire. It is at this point you need a new upgrade file, not the installed, the upgrade. Depending on how long you take between the new toad free installer coming out, it is entirely possible that when you run it and then try to run toad, it will give this message. Try this on your clean PC. Download the update file, unzip it and copy toadfreeware.exe into the new clean install folder and rename it to match the expired file already there - it will work. ONLY the upgrade file is required every time free toad expires. The installer will always have an expired version - at least after the first expiry date has passed! > I sir am now 100% positive it is not a client issue. > Indeed you may well be convinced, but you are incorrect I'm afraid. At > least, based on the two bits of evidence you have supplied. (1) the > missing installation files error message on your original PC and (2) the > installed version on a clean PC has expired. Your clean PC needs an upgrade file extracted into the same location you installed into, and your original PC needs exactly the same! Trust me, I'm not a doctor! 😉 > I understand the implications of "freeware". Regardless, this reflects > on the entire product line and does not bode well for any Quest > software. > Nope, it reflects badly on the users who were unable to follow the > instructions. I admit that there seems to have been a file name change > from toad.exe to toadfreeware.exe - but I'm advised that this was as a > result of user requests. As I originally posted, the download works. The installer works, but installs an expired toad. The upgrade works and installs a renamed file. To fixz things you must rename the upgraded file back or change your shortcuts to point at the new filename. > Please reconsider your statements. > No need. I'm afraid the problem is still at your end. I do not work for > Quest, I work for me. I have no connection to Quest except as a happy > user of their Toad product and as a (hopefully) valued member of TeamT a > group of three volunteers who try to help out as and when we can. Hopefully the above will resolve your problem and give you some pointers on what to do next time Toad expires. And the "uppity" comment was not aimed directly and solely at you. It was a feeble attempt at humour on a day when almost every post was a bad tempered one regarding a free product. In summary: On your original PC: - Copy toadfreeware.exe from wherever you have it now into the folder that you installed the original files into. - Delete toad.exe from the original folder. - Rename toadfreeware.exe to toad.exe. Your shortcuts will now work. Alternatively, replace the latter stage and edit your shortcuts to reference toadfreeware.exe instead of toad.exe. Your shourtcuts will now work. On your clean PC: - Download the upgrade file into the folder where the existing (expired) toad.exe is located. - Delete toad.exe. - Uncompress the zip file into the current folder. - Rename toadfreeware.exe to toad.exe - your shortcut will work; OR - Edit the shortcuts as above. Good luck. I look forward to hearing from you when it's all working. -- Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] ---
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/48 "2011-07-22T10:29:01Z")
Hi Michael, On 22/07/11 16:08, Michael Staszewski wrote: > You screwed something up somewhere. I just uninstalled and reinstalled > without issue. > This line is the clue: "TOAD has encountered an unexpected error. Details: TOAD cannot access necessary installation files.." Bobby is running the toadfreeware.exe from the wrong directory by the sound of things. I think my reply explains it pretty fully although you and Greg were much more succint that I was. -- Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] ---
**Author:** ![mstaszew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/mstaszew/32/23_2.png) [@mstaszew](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/mstaszew)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/49 "2011-07-22T10:30:33Z")
I actually quit reading his email after his first sentence. At that point it was clear he did not follow the directions. I must say you’re more patient than most. Michael ---
**Author:** ![matt.wilkins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/matt.wilkins/32/146_2.png) [@matt.wilkins](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/matt.wilkins)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/50 "2011-07-22T10:32:13Z")
“ I think my reply explains it pretty fully…” Fully? More like exhaustive 🙂 ![image001.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/quest/original/1X/278be512a68050c664416c8c1dd90a338bc191af.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![matt.wilkins](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/matt.wilkins/32/146_2.png) [@matt.wilkins](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/matt.wilkins)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/51 "2011-07-22T10:32:13Z")
“ I think my reply explains it pretty fully…” Fully? More like exhaustive 🙂 ![image001.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/quest/original/1X/e8288ef7bf69daaab6959f752b25ca292478b911.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![eklinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbe5ce/32.png) [@eklinger](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/eklinger)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/52 "2011-07-22T10:32:24Z")
Greg's steps worked for me. I just got a brand new shinny windows 7 box last week. I installed the ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi then followed Greg's steps and I have a valid Free Toad that expires on 30-oct-2011. Thanks Greg! Ed [TeamT] On 7/22/2011 11:03 AM, Gregory Liss wrote: > From a previous and one of MANY on the subject - > > 1. Go here: > > [http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.aspx](http://toadworld.com/Freeware/ToadforOracleFreeware/tabid/558/Default.aspx) > > 1. Click the second button which says "Download Update": > > cid:image001.png@01CC30EE.72B66ED0 > > 1. This downloads the Toad executable, which is named "ToadFreeware.exe." > > 2. Copy ToadFreeware.exe into your Toad Freeware installation directory, > for example: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Quest Software\Toad for Oracle 10.6 Freeware > > 1. Rename ToadFreeware.exe to Toad.exe. > > \*From:\*toad@yahoogroups.com [[mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com](mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com)] \*On Behalf Of > \*bobby mcgee > _Sent:_ Friday, July 22, 2011 11:18 AM > _To:_ [toad@yahoogroups.com](mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com) > _Subject:_ [toad] Re: Toad Freeware Expired > > Message from: bobbymcgee > > Norm, it is _NOT_ fixed. Please don't be condescending, you appear > "whingy and uppity!" > I downloaded and installed "ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi" as a > local file (outside of my browser). TOAD freeware continues to report > the software has expired, even after performing more drastic measures to > remove the previous "expired" version of TOAD 10.6 Freeware (clearing > all cache files, clearing temp files, deleting hkcu and hklm quest\toad > oracle keys. The update "ToadFreeware.exe" refuses to run. It continues > to report "TOAD has encountered an unexpected error. Details: TOAD > cannot access necessary installation files.." > > I then downloaded and installed TOAD Oracle Freeware > "ToadforOracle106SetupFreeware.msi" on a new PC that has never seen > TOAD. TOAD is reporting "This version of Toad for Oracle has expired. > You must download a new version before proceeding." I sir am now 100% > positive it is not a client issue. > > I understand the implications of "freeware". Regardless, this reflects > on the entire product line and does not bode well for any Quest > software. Please reconsider your statements. ---
**Author:** ![Darlene.Ulmet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Darlene.Ulmet](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/Darlene.Ulmet)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/53 "2011-07-22T10:32:43Z")
I agree with Norm on the installation directory. I just switched computers and I was appalled that I had so many TOAD directories on my old PC. Now I have a nice clean version which is hopping swimmingly (A little hidden TOAD reference there.) I do not agree that Norm is “whingy and uppity.” As far as I know he is a volunteer and not on the Quest payroll. Is this correct? At any rate, he has offered me sound advice on a number of occasions and now I am one of my work Team’s Toadies! Thanks Norm and all the great folks at Quest! Darlene R. Ulmet Financial Analyst II Revenue Cycle Strategic Financial Planning and Analysis Baylor Health Care System Phone: (214) 820-1936 Fax: (214)820-8515 Email: Darlene.Ulmet@BaylorHealth.edu “It is never too late to become what you might have been.” George Eliott (Mary Ann “Marian” Evans Lewes Cross) (1819-1880) ![image001.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/quest/original/1X/e8288ef7bf69daaab6959f752b25ca292478b911.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Darlene.Ulmet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Darlene.Ulmet](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/Darlene.Ulmet)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/54 "2011-07-22T10:32:43Z")
I agree with Norm on the installation directory. I just switched computers and I was appalled that I had so many TOAD directories on my old PC. Now I have a nice clean version which is hopping swimmingly (A little hidden TOAD reference there.) I do not agree that Norm is “whingy and uppity.” As far as I know he is a volunteer and not on the Quest payroll. Is this correct? At any rate, he has offered me sound advice on a number of occasions and now I am one of my work Team’s Toadies! Thanks Norm and all the great folks at Quest! Darlene R. Ulmet Financial Analyst II Revenue Cycle Strategic Financial Planning and Analysis Baylor Health Care System Phone: (214) 820-1936 Fax: (214)820-8515 Email: Darlene.Ulmet@BaylorHealth.edu “It is never too late to become what you might have been.” George Eliott (Mary Ann “Marian” Evans Lewes Cross) (1819-1880) ![image001.jpeg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/quest/original/1X/278be512a68050c664416c8c1dd90a338bc191af.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Darlene.Ulmet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Darlene.Ulmet](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/Darlene.Ulmet)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/55 "2011-07-22T10:36:56Z")
And I don’t really understand the whole freeware mentality of some users. Freeware is a sneek peek and shouldn’t be used in place of actually purchasing and using the product on a daily basis for free. Don’t you think? Oh and if you agree, please find out how I can get another TOAD coffee mug. I was coming around the corner at work and in order to avoid spilling coffee on a coworker, my mug hit the wall. And it was perfect size and shape and I miss it dearly! Darlene R. Ulmet Financial Analyst II Revenue Cycle Strategic Financial Planning and Analysis Baylor Health Care System Phone: (214) 820-1936 Fax: (214)820-8515 Email: Darlene.Ulmet@BaylorHealth.edu “It is never too late to become what you might have been.” George Eliott (Mary Ann “Marian” Evans Lewes Cross) (1819-1880) ---
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/56 "2011-07-22T10:44:32Z")
Hi Darlene, On 22/07/11 16:32, Ulmet, Darlene wrote: > I agree with Norm on the installation directory. I just switched > computers and I was appalled that I had so many TOAD directories on my > old PC. Now I have a nice clean version which is hopping swimmingly (A > little hidden TOAD reference there.) > Just wait for a few more releases then, things will get back to normal! 😉 > I do not agree that Norm is “whingy and uppity.” > Norm _is_, in normal circumstances, a pedantic and ranting bl--dy Scot! > At least according to my wife I am! Personally, I'm a big fan of a > "Billy Connolly" style rant from time to time! > As far as I know he is a volunteer and not on the Quest > payroll. Is this correct? > This is indeed the case. I work for myself (Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd) > and any advice I give here is entirely voluntary. TeamT members are not > paid by Quest. I see it as my way of giving back for advice I received > years ago as a fledgling Oracle developer and DBA. My "life" was saved by someone a lot more experienced than me who refused payment for spending a good few hours helping me, a complete stranger, ressurect an Oracle database that had died. I was on my very first day as a DBA and had received no training. The previous DBA had left! This person worked with me, over the telephone, until 02:00 in the AM! I sent him a bottle of finest Whisky for his troubles. > At any rate, he has offered me sound advice on > a number of occasions and now I am one of my work Team’s Toadies! > This is my point, it works! > Thanks Norm and all the great folks at Quest! > Welcome. -- Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] ---
**Author:** ![Bert\_Scalzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/bert_scalzo/32/274_2.png) [@Bert\_Scalzo](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/Bert_Scalzo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/57 "2011-07-22T10:46:12Z")
I think the main confusion here is with the installer. Toad team creates one installer when the freeware gets released. Then each month there is simply an updated EXE. The key item to note is that the complete installer is done just that once and hence yes it expired. The process is as follows: run the main installer once, then each month get the updated EXE as per the instructions in other replies. It sounds like you expected the installer to fix the update issue – and it is not designed to work that way. I won’t argue the merits of the approach, I’ll just say that’s how it works and that’s why you need to closely adhere to the instructions at the end of each timeout period. ---
**Author:** ![HillbillyToad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/hillbillytoad/32/190_2.png) [@HillbillyToad](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/HillbillyToad)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/58 "2011-07-22T10:48:38Z")
Send me your address Darlene, and I’ll see what I can do [Jeff.smith@quest.com](mailto:Jeff.smith@quest.com) ---
**Author:** ![NormTeamT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/quest/user_avatar/forums.toadworld.com/normteamt/32/53_2.png) [@NormTeamT](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/NormTeamT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/59 "2011-07-22T10:51:03Z")
Darlene, On 22/07/11 16:36, Ulmet, Darlene wrote: > And I don’t really understand the whole freeware mentality of some > users. > I do. Some people get things for free and are happy. Others get things > for free and expect to have their demands met instantly as if they were > paying support. Others lie in between. I use Linux. I give back by > supporting Open Source projects. ([www.firebirdsql.org](http://www.firebirdsql.org) - I do docs!) > Freeware is a sneek peek and shouldn’t be used in place of > actually purchasing and using the product on a daily basis for free. > We would all like our products to be paid for, but if we offer free > stuff, that is not a use once for 30 days and then never again, then we > should expect people to use it. I used Toad for free when it was way way > back in the early days. Long before it was a Quest product. I even > contributed to it at one point! I trialled Windows 7 for 90 days. Once done I had to delete it or buy it. I deleted it. Yuk! If I found myself in a job where I couldn't use Toad, or buy it, I'd happily use free toad provided I matched up to the rules and requirements for using free toad. It's as good a version as full toad. > Don’t you think? > Not quite! > Oh and if you agree, please find out how I can get another TOAD coffee > mug. I was coming around the corner at work and in order to avoid > spilling coffee on a coworker, my mug hit the wall. And it was perfect > size and shape and I miss it dearly! > Funny how we get attached to the simple things in life. (Something else > my wife says frequently!) Anyway, I used to keep American Bullfrogs as pets for many years. Unfortunately, they eventually died and sad as it was, I decided to have them taxidermed. I made them into a pair of open-toad sandals! 😉 (That was a joke too - it's Friday!) -- Cheers, Norm. [TeamT] ---
**Author:** ![eklinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbe5ce/32.png) [@eklinger](https://forums.toadworld.com/u/eklinger)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518/60 "2011-07-22T10:52:30Z")
On 7/22/2011 11:32 AM, Ulmet, Darlene wrote: > I agree with Norm on the installation directory. I just switched > computers and I was appalled that I had so many TOAD directories on my > old PC. Now I have a nice clean version which is hopping swimmingly (A > little hidden TOAD reference there.) I do not agree that Norm is > “whingy and uppity.” As far as I know he is a volunteer and not on the > Quest payroll. Is this correct? At any rate, he has offered me sound > advice on a number of occasions and now I am one of my work Team’s > Toadies! Thanks Norm and all the great folks at Quest! Norm only get paid in complements and the satisfaction of helping others. Yeah I just jettisoned my 6 year+ old XP box out the window. I had Toad 8.0 on up on there plus all betas and freeware so it was a mess. Ed [TeamT] [Previous page](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.toadworld.com/t/toad-freeware-expired/10518.md?page=4)