# Spatial Geometry problem

Morning all.

Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a
table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY
(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,
185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,
185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,
185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92, 532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 533195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88,
185341.61, 533270.12, 185341.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35,
185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185248.52, 533344.58,
185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81, 185080.98, 533400.43,
185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74, 533419.05,
185006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184801.73, 533381.81, 184783.11, 532972.25, 184801.73, 532990.87,
184634.18, 532972.25, 184634.18, 532916.4, 184243.23, 532897.79,
184243.23, 532897.79, 184168.77, 532879.17, 184168.77, 532879.17,
184094.3, 532860.55, 184094.3, 532860.55, 184019.84))

But from SQL*Plus, I get much more data and less consecutive commas:

## GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_AR
RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,
532450.99,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,
185751.17, 532
525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07, 185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09,
532693.01, 185527
.77, 532730.24, 185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92,
532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 53
3195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185341.61,
533270.12, 18534
1.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35, 185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52,
533344.5
8, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81,
185080.98,
533400.43, 185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74,
533419.05, 185
006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456
.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184783.11

it!>

4352.86, 188578.99, 534344.13, 188521.08, 534344.93, 188479.82,
534362.37, 18842
8.25, 534376.46, 188396.56, 534359.45, 188226.49, 533700.05, 187690.72,
532504.8
6, 186454.33, 532414.91, 185974.57))

I can let you have an export of the row in question if you need it.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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Good Afternoon Norm

which SRID …?

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:04:52 +0100

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Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a

table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY

(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,

185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,

185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,

185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92, 532823.32,

185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,

185397.46, 533195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88,

185341.61, 533270.12, 185341.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35,

185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185248.52, 533344.58,

185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81, 185080.98, 533400.43,

185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74, 533419.05,

185006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,

184969.28, 533456.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81,

184801.73, 533381.81, 184783.11, 532972.25, 184801.73, 532990.87,

184634.18, 532972.25, 184634.18, 532916.4, 184243.23, 532897.79,

184243.23, 532897.79, 184168.77, 532879.17, 184168.77, 532879.17,

184094.3, 532860.55, 184094.3, 532860.55, 184019.84))

But from SQL*Plus, I get much more data and less consecutive commas:

GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,

SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),

SDO_ORDINATE_AR

RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,

532450.99,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,

185751.17, 532

525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07, 185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09,

532693.01, 185527

.77, 532730.24, 185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92,

532823.32,

185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,

185397.46, 53

3195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185341.61,

533270.12, 18534

1.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35, 185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52,

533344.5

8, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81,

185080.98,

533400.43, 185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74,

533419.05, 185

006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,

184969.28, 533456

.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81, 184801.73, 533381.81,

184783.11

<SNIP of many many lines of digits here - it’s boring reading through

it!>

4352.86, 188578.99, 534344.13, 188521.08, 534344.93, 188479.82,

534362.37, 18842

8.25, 534376.46, 188396.56, 534359.45, 188226.49, 533700.05, 187690.72,

532504.8

6, 186454.33, 532414.91, 185974.57))

I can let you have an export of the row in question if you need it.

Cheers,

Norm. [TeamT]

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Hi Martin,

which SRID ..?
You might be mistaking me for someone who knows about Spatial. I don't,
sorry!

I was asked to select a geometry column from a table for a given pk
value, in Toad, I got what appeared to be a full result, but I was told

When I tried the same select in SQL*Plus, it showed a huge amount of
additional numbers and far fewer consecutive commas - hence my question.

I have no idea what an SRID is. ;-(

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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spatial reference identifier originally coined by
European Petroleum Survey Group

to quote wikipedia
"SRIDs are typically associated with a well known text (WKT) string
definition of the coordinate system (SRTEXT, above). From the Well Known Text Wikipedia page, “A WKT string for a spatial reference system describes the datum, geoid, coordinate system, and map projection of the spatial objects”.

so when encoding or decoding data one can always perform operations with the same SRID
any operations using a different spatial reference system would need to transform their coordinates to the referencing SRID and then perform any operations such as lat/long deltas

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Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

``````              Hi Martin,
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which SRID ..?

You might be mistaking me for someone who knows about Spatial. I don't,

sorry!

I was asked to select a geometry column from a table for a given pk

value, in Toad, I got what appeared to be a full result, but I was told

When I tried the same select in SQL*Plus, it showed a huge amount of

additional numbers and far fewer consecutive commas - hence my question.

I have no idea what an SRID is. ;-(

Cheers,

Norm. [TeamT]

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the geo_srid mentioned in the snippet below (marked red) is 81989.

"The names which may be used to access projections via their Oracle SRID number, e.g. 8307 is Longitude/Latitude, 81989 is the UK National Grid." (from http://doc.xmarc.net/xmarc7/es/Fire/refman/srid_num_identifiers.htm)

So the coordinates should point to the U.K.

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Martin Gainty 9-10-2009 13:26 >>>

Good Afternoon Norm

which SRID ..?

Martin Gainty

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:04:52 +0100

Morning all.

Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a
table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY
(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,
185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,
185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,
185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92, 532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 533195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88,
185341.61, 533270.12, 185341.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35,
185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185248.52, 533344.58,
185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81, 185080.98, 533400.43,
185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74, 533419.05,
185006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184801.73, 533381.81, 184783.11, 532972.25, 184801.73, 532990.87,
184634.18, 532972.25, 184634.18, 532916.4, 184243.23, 532897.79,
184243.23, 532897.79, 184168.77, 532879.17, 184168.77, 532879.17,
184094.3, 532860.55, 184094.3, 532860.55, 184019.84))

But from SQL*Plus, I get much more data and less consecutive commas:

## GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_AR
RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,
532450.99,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,
185751.17, 532
525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07, 185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09,
532693.01, 185527
.77, 532730.24, 185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92,
532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 53
3195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185341.61,
533270.12, 18534
1.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35, 185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52,
533344.5
8, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81,
185080.98,
533400.43, 185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74,
533419.05, 185
006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456
.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184783.11

it!>

4352.86, 188578.99, 534344.13, 188521.08, 534344.93, 188479.82,
534362.37, 18842
8.25, 534376.46, 188396.56, 534359.45, 188226.49, 533700.05, 187690.72,
532504.8
6, 186454.33, 532414.91, 185974.57))

I can let you have an export of the row in question if you need it.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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the geo_srid mentioned in the snippet below (marked red) is 81989.

"The names which may be used to access projections via their Oracle SRID number, e.g. 8307 is Longitude/Latitude, 81989 is the UK National Grid." (from http://doc.xmarc.net/xmarc7/es/Fire/refman/srid_num_identifiers.htm)

So the coordinates should point to the U.K.

Gemeente Renkum

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Martin Gainty mgainty@hotmail.com 9-10-2009 13:26 >>>

Good Afternoon Norm

which SRID ..?

Martin Gainty

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:04:52 +0100

Morning all.

Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a
table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY
(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,
185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,
185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,
185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92, 532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 533195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88,
185341.61, 533270.12, 185341.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35,
185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185248.52, 533344.58,
185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81, 185080.98, 533400.43,
185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74, 533419.05,
185006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184801.73, 533381.81, 184783.11, 532972.25, 184801.73, 532990.87,
184634.18, 532972.25, 184634.18, 532916.4, 184243.23, 532897.79,
184243.23, 532897.79, 184168.77, 532879.17, 184168.77, 532879.17,
184094.3, 532860.55, 184094.3, 532860.55, 184019.84))

But from SQL*Plus, I get much more data and less consecutive commas:

## GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO, SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),
SDO_ORDINATE_AR
RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,
532450.99,
185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,
185751.17, 532
525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07, 185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09,
532693.01, 185527
.77, 532730.24, 185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92,
532823.32,
185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,
185397.46, 53
3195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185341.61,
533270.12, 18534
1.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35, 185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52,
533344.5
8, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81,
185080.98,
533400.43, 185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74,
533419.05, 185
006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,
184969.28, 533456
.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81, 184801.73, 533381.81,
184783.11

<SNIP of many many lines of digits here - it's boring reading through
it!>

4352.86, 188578.99, 534344.13, 188521.08, 534344.93, 188479.82,
534362.37, 18842
8.25, 534376.46, 188396.56, 534359.45, 188226.49, 533700.05, 187690.72,
532504.8
6, 186454.33, 532414.91, 185974.57))

I can let you have an export of the row in question if you need it.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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From:
style=‘font-size:10.0pt;font-family:“Tahoma”,“sans-serif”’>
Norman

Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:05 AM

Morning all.

Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a

table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY

(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,

185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,

185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,

185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92, 532823.32,

185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,

185397.46, 533195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88,

185341.61, 533270.12, 185341.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35,

185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185248.52, 533344.58,

185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81, 185080.98, 533400.43,

185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74, 533419.05,

185006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,

184969.28, 533456.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81,

184801.73, 533381.81, 184783.11, 532972.25, 184801.73, 532990.87,

184634.18, 532972.25, 184634.18, 532916.4, 184243.23, 532897.79,

184243.23, 532897.79, 184168.77, 532879.17, 184168.77, 532879.17,

184094.3, 532860.55, 184094.3, 532860.55, 184019.84))

But from SQL*Plus, I get much more data and less consecutive commas:

GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,

SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),

SDO_ORDINATE_AR

RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,

532450.99,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,

185751.17, 532

525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07, 185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09,

532693.01, 185527

.77, 532730.24, 185527.77, 532767.47, 185471.92, 532804.7, 185471.92,

532823.32,

185434.69, 532897.79, 185416.07, 532897.79, 185397.46, 533158.42,

185397.46, 53

3195.65, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185360.22, 533232.88, 185341.61,

533270.12, 18534

1.61, 533270.12, 185322.99, 533307.35, 185322.99, 533325.97, 185248.52,

533344.5

8, 185248.52, 533344.58, 185155.44, 533381.81, 185118.21, 533381.81,

185080.98,

533400.43, 185080.98, 533400.43, 185043.74, 533419.05, 185043.74,

533419.05, 185

006.51, 533437.66, 185006.51, 533437.66, 184969.28, 533456.28,

184969.28, 533456

.28, 184820.34, 533437.66, 184801.73, 533381.81, 184801.73, 533381.81,

184783.11

<SNIP of many many lines of digits here - it’s boring reading through

it!>

4352.86, 188578.99, 534344.13, 188521.08, 534344.93, 188479.82,

534362.37, 18842

8.25, 534376.46, 188396.56, 534359.45, 188226.49, 533700.05, 187690.72,

532504.8

6, 186454.33, 532414.91, 185974.57))

I can let you have an export of the row in question if you need it.

Cheers,

Norm. [TeamT]

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From:
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Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:22 AM

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

spatial reference identifier originally coined by

European Petroleum
Survey Group

to quote wikipedia

"SRIDs are typically associated with a well known text (WKT) string
definition of the coordinate system (SRTEXT, above). From the
href="Well-known text representation of geometry - Wikipedia"
spatial reference system describes the
href="Geodetic datum - Wikipedia" title="Datum (geodesy)">datum,
geoid,
href="Coordinate system - Wikipedia" title="Coordinate system">coordinate
system, and
title="Map projection">map projection
of the spatial objects”.

so when encoding or decoding data one can always perform operations with the
same SRID

any operations using a different spatial reference system would need to
transform their coordinates to the referencing SRID and then perform any
operations such as lat/long deltas

cheers

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:34:21 +0100

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi Martin,

which SRID ..?

You might be mistaking me for someone who knows about Spatial. I don't,

sorry!

I was asked to select a geometry column from a table for a given pk

value, in Toad, I got what appeared to be a full result, but I was told

When I tried the same select in SQL*Plus, it showed a huge amount of

additional numbers and far fewer consecutive commas - hence my question.

I have no idea what an SRID is. ;-(

Cheers,

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color:#1F497D'>Hey Norm,

color:#1F497D'>

font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think any data
is missing, it’s just notated differently.

font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>

font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s SQL Plus:

GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID,
SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,

SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(
style='color:#00B050'>1, 1003, 1),

SDO_ORDINATE_AR

RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,

532450.99,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,

color:#1F497D'>For the red part - In SQL Plus, you’re getting the NULL
keyword. In Toad, you’re just getting an empty space between
commas.

color:#1F497D'>For the green part – in SQL Plus, it’s just showing
the first 3 values that have data. In Toad, it’s showing the entire
array.

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>When I export to insert statements (using 10, I didn’t try
with 9.5), I get an insert statement that works and seems to insert identical
data.

color:#1F497D'>

font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>Insert
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>into
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:"Courier New";color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>NFCDD_OWNER
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>.
color:black;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>NORM_SPATIAL
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>(
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>GEOMETRY
Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>)
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>Values
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>(
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"MDSYS"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>.
color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"SDO_GEOMETRY"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>(
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>2003
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>81989
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,NULL,
"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"MDSYS"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>.
color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>(
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>1
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>1003
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>1
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL),
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;
background:white;mso-highlight:white'>

font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:black;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>
font-family:Courier;color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"MDSYS"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>.
color:red;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>"SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY"
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>(
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532414.91
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185974.57
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532432.37
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185974.57
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532432.37
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185862.87
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532450.99
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185862.87
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532450.99
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185807.02
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532488.22
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185788.4
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532488.22
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185751.17
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532525.46
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185732.55
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532544.07
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185658.09
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532581.31
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185658.09
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532693.01
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185527.77
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532730.24
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185527.77
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532767.47
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185471.92
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532804.7
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185471.92
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532823.32
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185434.69
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532897.79
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185416.07
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532897.79
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185397.46
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533158.42
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185397.46
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533195.65
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mso-highlight:white'>,
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533232.88
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185360.22
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533232.88
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185341.61
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533270.12
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185341.61
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533270.12
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185322.99
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533307.35
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185322.99
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533325.97
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185248.52
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533344.58
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185248.52
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533344.58
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185155.44
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533381.81
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185118.21
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533381.81
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185080.98
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533400.43
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185080.98
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533400.43
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185043.74
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533419.05
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185043.74
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533419.05
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185006.51
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533437.66
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>185006.51
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533437.66
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184969.28
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533456.28
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184969.28
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533456.28
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184820.34
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533437.66
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184801.73
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533381.81
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184801.73
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>533381.81
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184783.11
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532972.25
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184801.73
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532990.87
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mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184634.18
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532972.25
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184634.18
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532916.4
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184243.23
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532897.79
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184243.23
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532897.79
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184168.77
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532879.17
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>184168.77
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-highlight:white'>532879.17
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue;background:white;
mso-highlight:white'>,
color:maroon;background:white;mso-hig

how did you create the MDSYS user?

thanks john
Martin Gainty

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From: john.dorlon@quest.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:23:03 -0700
Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hey Norm,

I don’t think any data
is missing, it’s just notated differently.

Here’s SQL Plus:

GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE, SDO_SRID,
SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,

SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(1, 1003, 1),

SDO_ORDINATE_AR

RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,

532450.99,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,

For the red part - In SQL Plus, you’re getting the NULL
keyword. In Toad, you’re just getting an empty space between
commas.

For the green part – in SQL Plus, it’s just showing
the first 3 values that have data. In Toad, it’s showing the entire
array.

When I export to insert statements (using 10, I didn’t try
with 9.5), I get an insert statement that works and seems to insert identical
data.

Insert into NFCDD_OWNER.NORM_SPATIAL

(GEOMETRY)

Values

(

``````"MDSYS"."SDO_GEOMETRY"(2003,81989,NULL,

"MDSYS"."SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY"(1,1003,1,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL),

"MDSYS"."SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY"(532414.91,185974.57,532432.37,185974.57,532432.37,185862.87,532450.99,185862.87,532450.99,185807.02,532488.22,185788.4,532488.22,185751.17,532525.46,185732.55,532544.07,185658.09,532581.31,185658.09,532693.01,185527.77,532730.24,185527.77,532767.47,185471.92,532804.7,185471.92,532823.32,185434.69,532897.79,185416.07,532897.79,185397.46,533158.42,185397.46,533195.65,185360.22,533232.88,185360.22,533232.88,185341.61,533270.12,185341.61,533270.12,185322.99,533307.35,185322.99,533325.97,185248.52,533344.58,185248.52,533344.58,185155.44,533381.81,185118.21,533381.81,185080.98,533400.43,185080.98,533400.43,185043.74,533419.05,185043.74,533419.05,185006.51,533437.66,185006.51,533437.66,184969.28,533456.28,184969.28,533456.28,184820.34,533437.66,184801.73,533381.81,184801.73,533381.81,184783.11,532972.25,184801.73,532990.87,184634.18,532972.25,184634.18,532916.4,184243.23,532897.79,184243.23,532897.79,184168.77,532879.17,184168.77,532879.17,184094.3,532860.55,184094.3,
``````

color:#1F497D'>I didn’t. Oracle did.

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of SDO_GEOMETRY
is an array that can have up to 1048576 values. Toad is only showing the
first 99 of them. This is probably a limitation in Delphi’s architecture.
I’m sure we’d crash most everyone’s PC if we tried to open a dataset with over
1 million fields.

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues part
of our documentation.

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>-John

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>

From:
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
Gainty

Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:34 AM

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

how did you create the MDSYS user?

thanks john

Martin Gainty

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oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem
Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung.
Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung
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``````

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:23:03 -0700

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hey Norm,

color:#1F497D'>I don’t think any data is missing, it’s just notated
differently.

color:#1F497D'>

color:#1F497D'>Here’s SQL Plus:

GEOMETRY(SDO_GTYPE,
SDO_SRID, SDO_POINT(X, Y, Z), SDO_ELEM_INFO,

SDO_ORDINATES)

SDO_GEOMETRY(2003, 81989, NULL, SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY(
style='color:#00B050'>1, 1003, 1),

SDO_ORDINATE_AR

RAY(532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185862.87,

532450.99,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22, 185788.4, 532488.22,

GEOMETRY

(2003, 81989, , (1,
1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,

185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,

For the red
part - In SQL Plus, you’re getting the NULL keyword. In Toad,
you’re just getting an empty space between commas.

For the
green part – in SQL Plus, it’s just showing the first 3 values that have data.
In Toad, it’s showing the entire array.

When I
export to insert statements (using 10, I didn’t try with 9.5), I get an insert
statement that works and seems to insert identical data.

color:blue'>Insert
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue'>into
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From:
Behalf Of
Dunbar, Norman

Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:05 AM

Morning all.

Just noticed a funny with a select of a spatial geometry column from a

table. In 9.5GA I get the following result:

GEOMETRY

(2003, 81989, , (1, 1003, 1, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

, , ), (532414.91, 185974.57, 532432.37, 185974.57, 532432.37,

185862.87, 532450.99, 185862.87, 532450.99, 185807.02, 532488.22,

185788.4, 532488.22, 185751.17, 532525.46, 185732.55, 532544.07,

185658.09, 532581.31, 185658.09, 532693.01, 185527.77, 532730.24,

185527.7

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of
SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.
Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is
probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure
we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset
with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues
part of our documentation.

a limitation it is then Thanks. That'll do me.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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color:#1F497D'>It might be nice to have a warning if there are more values to
get or that we’re truncating? Esp when doing edits?

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From:
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Norman

Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

part of our documentation.

a limitation it is then Thanks. That'll do me.

Cheers,

Norm. [TeamT]

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Hi John, Jeff and Norm,

In fact, last I checked, selecting an
sdo_geometry column in SQL Developer for popup will bring everything
to a grinding halt.

Following on Jeff's suggestion, I think
the one or three spatial users on this forum have occasionally chimed in
with a wish list for how this could work differently. The sdo_geometry
type has two subtypes that can potentially go into the stratosphere in
terms of their contents. The first one, sdo_elem_info, almost never
does. This is what caused all of the green commas John indentified.
I think it would be spiffy if TOAD, instead of always showing 3-6
values followed by 90+ empty ones, variably sized what it showed for the
sdo_elem_info.

Then for the sdo_ordinates, which very
often goes beyond 99 values, if I had an option to override 99 as the default
value that would be a huge time saver. I could switch that value
from time to time, up or down, depending on how big the geometries are
that I am working with.

Easy for me to say, I know nothing about
Delphi. Thanks, as always, for listening to user requests.

Matt

CREATE OR REPLACE TYPE MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY
AS OBJECT (

``````       SDO_GTYPE
NUMBER,

SDO_SRID
NUMBER,

SDO_POINT
SDO_POINT_TYPE,

SDO_ELEM_INFO
``````

SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY,

``````       SDO_ORDINATES
``````

SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY)

Jeff Smith jeff.smith@quest.com

10/09/2009 10:57 AM

To

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Subject

It might be nice to have a warning if there
are more values to get or that we’re truncating? Esp when doing
edits?

On Behalf Of Dunbar, Norman**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

part of our documentation.

a limitation it is then Thanks. That'll do me.

Cheers,

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Hi John, Jeff and Norm,

In fact, last I checked, selecting an
sdo_geometry column in SQL Developer for popup will bring everything
to a grinding halt.

Following on Jeff's suggestion, I think
the one or three spatial users on this forum have occasionally chimed in
with a wish list for how this could work differently. The sdo_geometry
type has two subtypes that can potentially go into the stratosphere in
terms of their contents. The first one, sdo_elem_info, almost never
does. This is what caused all of the green commas John indentified.
I think it would be spiffy if TOAD, instead of always showing 3-6
values followed by 90+ empty ones, variably sized what it showed for the
sdo_elem_info.

Then for the sdo_ordinates, which very
often goes beyond 99 values, if I had an option to override 99 as the default
value that would be a huge time saver. I could switch that value
from time to time, up or down, depending on how big the geometries are
that I am working with.

Easy for me to say, I know nothing about
Delphi. Thanks, as always, for listening to user requests.

Matt

CREATE OR REPLACE TYPE MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY
AS OBJECT (

``````       SDO_GTYPE
NUMBER,

SDO_SRID
NUMBER,

SDO_POINT
SDO_POINT_TYPE,

SDO_ELEM_INFO
``````

SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY,

``````       SDO_ORDINATES
``````

SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY)

Jeff Smith jeff.smith@quest.com

10/09/2009 10:57 AM

To

cc

Subject

It might be nice to have a warning if there
are more values to get or that we’re truncating? Esp when doing
edits?

On Behalf Of Dunbar, Norman**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

part of our documentation.

a limitation it is then Thanks. That'll do me.

Cheers,

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color:#1F497D'>Maybe I can find a way to let the user control the limit, I’m
trying to find it.

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color:#1F497D'>By the way, I’m also trying to find a way to query how many
values of the array are actually being used, but I haven’t been successful.
Anyone know how to do that?

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From:
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>

Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:08 AM

Subject: RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John, Jeff
and Norm,

In fact, last I
checked, selecting an sdo_geometry column in SQL Developer for popup will
bring everything to a grinding halt.

Following on
Jeff's suggestion, I think the one or three spatial users on this forum have
occasionally chimed in with a wish list for how this could work differently.
The sdo_geometry type has two subtypes that can potentially go into the
stratosphere in terms of their contents. The first one, sdo_elem_info,
almost never does. This is what caused all of the green commas John
indentified. I think it would be spiffy if TOAD, instead of always
showing 3-6 values followed by 90+ empty ones, variably sized what it showed
for the sdo_elem_info.

Then for the
sdo_ordinates, which very often goes beyond 99 values, if I had an option to
override 99 as the default value that would be a huge time saver. I could
switch that value from time to time, up or down, depending on how big the
geometries are that I am working with.

Easy for me to
say, I know nothing about Delphi. Thanks, as always, for listening to
user requests.

Matt

CREATE OR
REPLACE TYPE MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY AS OBJECT (

``````   SDO_GTYPE       NUMBER,

SDO_SRID        NUMBER,

SDO_POINT       SDO_POINT_TYPE,

SDO_ELEM_INFO
``````

SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY,

``````   SDO_ORDINATES
``````

SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY)

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Jeff
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RE:

It might be nice to have a warning
if there are more values to get or that we’re truncating? Esp when doing
edits?

From:
Norman**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

part of our documentation.

a limitation it is then Thanks. That'll do me.

Cheers,

Norm. [TeamT]

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Hi John,

Super, thanks,

The sdo_elem_info are triplets, so SDO_UTIL.GETNUMELEM
will give you 1/3 of the total array values being used.

select (SDO_UTIL.GETNUMELEM(a.sdogeometry)

1. from TABLE a

The sdo_ordinates are in pairs, so SDO_UTIL.GETNUMVERTICES
will give you 1/2 of the values being used

select (SDO_UTIL.GETNUMVERTICES (a.sdogeometry)*2)
from TABLE a

Matt

John Dorlon john.dorlon@quest.com

10/09/2009 11:17 AM

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Maybe I can find a way to let the user control
the limit, I’m trying to find it.

By the way, I’m also trying to find a way
to query how many values of the array are actually being used, but I haven’t
been successful. Anyone know how to do that?

On Behalf Of matthew.c.schell@census.gov**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:08 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John, Jeff and Norm,

In fact, last I checked, selecting an sdo_geometry column in SQL Developer
for popup will bring everything to a grinding halt.

Following on Jeff's suggestion, I think the one or three spatial users
on this forum have occasionally chimed in with a wish list for how this
could work differently. The sdo_geometry type has two subtypes that
can potentially go into the stratosphere in terms of their contents. The
first one, sdo_elem_info, almost never does. This is what caused
all of the green commas John indentified. I think it would be spiffy
if TOAD, instead of always showing 3-6 values followed by 90+ empty ones,
variably sized what it showed for the sdo_elem_info.

Then for the sdo_ordinates, which very often goes beyond 99 values, if
I had an option to override 99 as the default value that would be a huge
time saver. I could switch that value from time to time, up or down,
depending on how big the geometries are that I am working with.

Easy for me to say, I know nothing about Delphi. Thanks, as always,
for listening to user requests.

Matt

CREATE OR REPLACE TYPE MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY AS
OBJECT (

``````       SDO_GTYPE       NUMBER,

SDO_SRID        NUMBER,

SDO_POINT       SDO_POINT_TYPE,

SDO_ELEM_INFO
``````

SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY,

``````       SDO_ORDINATES
``````

SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY)

Jeff Smith jeff.smith@quest.com

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we’re truncating? Esp when doing edits?

On Behalf Of Dunbar, Norman**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

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Hi John,

Super, thanks,

The sdo_elem_info are triplets, so SDO_UTIL.GETNUMELEM
will give you 1/3 of the total array values being used.

select (SDO_UTIL.GETNUMELEM(a.sdogeometry)

1. from TABLE a

The sdo_ordinates are in pairs, so SDO_UTIL.GETNUMVERTICES
will give you 1/2 of the values being used

select (SDO_UTIL.GETNUMVERTICES (a.sdogeometry)*2)
from TABLE a

Matt

John Dorlon john.dorlon@quest.com

10/09/2009 11:17 AM

To

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Subject

Maybe I can find a way to let the user control
the limit, I’m trying to find it.

By the way, I’m also trying to find a way
to query how many values of the array are actually being used, but I haven’t
been successful. Anyone know how to do that?

On Behalf Of matthew.c.schell@census.gov**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:08 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John, Jeff and Norm,

In fact, last I checked, selecting an sdo_geometry column in SQL Developer
for popup will bring everything to a grinding halt.

Following on Jeff's suggestion, I think the one or three spatial users
on this forum have occasionally chimed in with a wish list for how this
could work differently. The sdo_geometry type has two subtypes that
can potentially go into the stratosphere in terms of their contents. The
first one, sdo_elem_info, almost never does. This is what caused
all of the green commas John indentified. I think it would be spiffy
if TOAD, instead of always showing 3-6 values followed by 90+ empty ones,
variably sized what it showed for the sdo_elem_info.

Then for the sdo_ordinates, which very often goes beyond 99 values, if
I had an option to override 99 as the default value that would be a huge
time saver. I could switch that value from time to time, up or down,
depending on how big the geometries are that I am working with.

Easy for me to say, I know nothing about Delphi. Thanks, as always,
for listening to user requests.

Matt

CREATE OR REPLACE TYPE MDSYS.SDO_GEOMETRY AS
OBJECT (

``````       SDO_GTYPE       NUMBER,

SDO_SRID        NUMBER,

SDO_POINT       SDO_POINT_TYPE,

SDO_ELEM_INFO
``````

SDO_ELEM_INFO_ARRAY,

``````       SDO_ORDINATES
``````

SDO_ORDINATE_ARRAY)

Jeff Smith jeff.smith@quest.com

10/09/2009 10:57 AM

To

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Subject

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we’re truncating? Esp when doing edits?

On Behalf Of Dunbar, Norman**
Sent:** Friday, October 09, 2009 10:52 AM**
Subject:** RE: [toad] Spatial Geometry problem

Hi John,

I found the problem though. It seems one of the subtypes of

SDO_GEOMETRY is an array that can have up to 1048576 values.

Toad is only showing the first 99 of them. This is

probably a limitation in Delphi's architecture. I'm sure

we'd crash most everyone's PC if we tried to open a dataset

with over 1 million fields.

So I think this will go into the limitations/known issues

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