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suggestion for Toad signon screen


#1

Ever so often a message comes to the Toad list that suggests that a pointy
haired boss has given a new employee (who knows nothing about sql) a PC with
Toad on it and told him “this is a gui, it uses a mouse and has icons,
therefore it must be easy to do work on the Oracle database, so start doing
Oracle stuff”. Of course the person is overwhelmed. And comes to the Toad
list for help. Yes we can help to a certain extent. After the person has
floundered around and gotten the hang of things a bit they buy the DBA option
and say “now that you have the DBA option do DBA stuff”.

I suggest the signon screen have the following info on it.

“you must know a minimum about Oracle databases, you must know a minimum
of SQL. Show this message to your supervisor.” And only when the user has
acknowledged does it go away. This might help the newbie. He or she might not
get trained but at least they will know their lot will not be easy and maybe
they should look for a better run company.


#2

Lol Erwin. That’s great.


#3

The signon screen message needs just a little bit more:

“you must know a minimum about Oracle databases, you must know a minimum
of SQL. Show this message to your supervisor and keep moving up and down the
management chain until you find someone who knows what this message
means.”

LOL


#4

Hey, everyone has to start somewhere. I enjoy answering the questions.
It’s just sometimes the questions asked scare me.

Maybe a disclaimer: “Hey, I’m playing around in my local dev
database….” Before you ask what TRUNCATE does would help.


#5

I have a new book coming out in about 60-90 for such people – it has a
chapter on TOAD …
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#6

That is the point. If the question asked the toad list scares you how many other
questions will the person have which he does not ask and just tries.
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#7

Hi Jeff,

Hey, everyone has to start somewhere. I enjoy answering the
questions. It’s just sometimes the questions asked scare me.
Me too!

I remember my first day as a “DBA”. I had been left instructions by the
former DBA (now gone!) to remove a file from the server as we needed the
space to create a new tablespace in the production database. That
database held all the source code for our suite of applications.

I did so. No space freed up. Hmmm.

Ask a Unix guru I though. He said to shut down the database to free the
file and the space would be restored to Unix. Now, I should have noticed
a problem there and then - if the database still has the file open, why
have I just dropped it? Something wrong here surely?

Unfortunately, the penny didn’t drop at that point. I shut the database,
got the space freed up and then horror, the database wouldn’t restart
because of a missing file! Panic! I now have about 120 developers
twiddling their thumbs until I can get it back up and running - and I
didn’t have a clue what I was doing.

Someone out there on the internet took up the challenge and we got the
database running by 02:00 in the AM. I sent him a bottle of whisky - of
high quality malt as well - for saving my backside.

That’s one of the reasons I try and help out anyone out there in the
internet when I can.

It turned out that previous DBA had NOT dropped the tablespace when he
left the instructions that he had. Duh!

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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#8

This could be very useful. I know Oracle makes it possible to install a complete
version of oracle on your PC and I believe it is even allowed with your license
as long as you only use it for testing/training. But it is veeerrrrryyyy scary.
Things happen. I remember doing it only once and most everything worked fine all
automatically. But one thing did not. I called oracle support and they sent me
info on using the installer to remove the problem then reinstall just that it
worked fine. I then contacted them again abut that problem and said their
instructions worked fine. I also asked why the particular piece failed to
install properly and they said “yea sometimes there is a problem and you
have to do that”

Since I believe you can install your Toad on your home computer with the same
license as your work computer seeing as you can’t use them both at the
same time and since Toad requires the Oracle client I hope your book shows how
to install an Oracle client on your home machine and Toad on your home machine.
I have never had the nerve to do this. Oracle installs still scare me. I
therefore use REMOTE DESKTOP for this purpose.
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#9

This could be very useful. I know Oracle makes it possible to install a complete
version of oracle on your PC and I believe it is even allowed with your license
as long as you only use it for testing/training. But it is veeerrrrryyyy scary.
Things happen. I remember doing it only once and most everything worked fine all
automatically. But one thing did not. I called oracle support and they sent me
info on using the installer to remove the problem then reinstall just that it
worked fine. I then contacted them again abut that problem and said their
instructions worked fine. I also asked why the particular piece failed to
install properly and they said “yea sometimes there is a problem and you
have to do that”

Since I believe you can install your Toad on your home computer with the same
license as your work computer seeing as you can’t use them both at the
same time and since Toad requires the Oracle client I hope your book shows how
to install an Oracle client on your home machine and Toad on your home machine.
I have never had the nerve to do this. Oracle installs still scare me. I
therefore use REMOTE DESKTOP for this purpose.
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#10

Am I understanding this correctly: you help out so that they will send you a
bottle of fine whiskey?

Mercenary! Pirate! :wink:

Dan

Daniel B Madvig
Computer Technologies

Northwestern College & Northwestern Media
3003 Snelling Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55113
www.nwc.edu

651.631.5323
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#11

Hi Dan,

Am I understanding this correctly: you help out so that they
will send you a bottle of fine whiskey?
Ah, yes, I see what you mean!

No, I never touch the stuff myself. What I meant was “I help out now
because someone helped me way back then”.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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#12

And the PHB would ask:

“does it go away when you select ‘OK’?”

And the poor newbie would say:

“yup”

And the PHB would say:

“then get to work”

In short… nice try Erwin… but it’s my experience you
can’t protect newbies from PHB’s :wink:

Roger S.


#13

I remember my first day as a “DBA”. I had been left instructions by the
former DBA (now gone!) to remove a file from the server as we needed the
space to create a new tablespace in the production database.

Heh, there’s a line Unix Admins give to newbie Unix Admins to help them
learn as well:

“ok, as root, type in ‘rm –fR / *’”

If the newbie is fool enough to do that, that is usually followed with:

“Ok, now see that box of tapes over there? That’s the backup, now
you’ll learn about the restore process!”

One really should, even as a newbie, learn about what one is about to do before
one does :wink:

RAS


#14

#15

Do you have the DB Admin module? If, so, there are several screens that allow
this assuming you have SYSOPER or SYSDBA Privs. The Instance Manager and
Database Browser both allow for a Shutdown and Open of the database.


#16

Do you have the DB Admin module? If, so, there are several
screens that allow this assuming you have SYSOPER or SYSDBA
Privs. The Instance Manager and Database Browser both allow
for a Shutdown and Open of the database.

If you don’t have the DBA module and you can connect as SYSOPER/SYSDBA
from Toad to your database, then the various startup and shutdown
commands will work.

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

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#17

Hi;

I have change some oracle 10g parametres (like db_cache_size, large_pool_size,
etc…) from Toad GUI 9.7 and I would like to restart the oracle server.

Its possible to stop, start and restart the oracle server directly from Toad GUI
?

regards


#18

if the use you logged in as has shutdown privs

sqlplus>shutdown immediate;

caveat: dont do this on any db which has live connections
Martin Gainty


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#19

Really, from the editor? I thought our F5 script engine didn’t support
hose commands…I’ll have to try that out!


#20

Parameter file is the old pfile, as in

Startup pfile=$ORACLE_HOME/…/jeff10gR2_init.ora

You don’t always have to reference the startup file on a system, esp if
you only have one home and one instance, so maybe there’s an ER there
somewhere.