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64 Bit Toad

Well someone is bound to blab at some point soon so it might as well be me. We’re now in possession of Delphi XE2, which allows the building of 64 bit Windows applications. My strong guess is we’ll be able to provide 64-bit Toad the version after Toad 11, which is probably going to be in the spring. We still have a number of our third party vendors we’re waiting on.

Congratulations CodeGear team, it looks like a great product so far. Embarcadero has gone to really extraordinary lengths to try to prevent us from purchasing it in order to damage Toad as much as possible.

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:09:03 +0000
Mark Lerch wrote:

Well someone is bound to blab at some point soon so it might as well
be me. We’re now in possession of Delphi XE2, which allows the
building of 64 bit Windows applications. My strong guess is we’ll be
able to provide 64-bit Toad the version after Toad 11, which is
probably going to be in the spring. We still have a number of our
third party vendors we’re waiting on.

Congratulations CodeGear team, it looks like a great product so far.
Embarcadero has gone to really extraordinary lengths to try to
prevent us from purchasing it in order to damage Toad as much as
possible.

Raise the roof! Woot! (Insert other expressions of joy as needed).

Joseph Charpak

Yeah, hopefully it will be indeed faster in Windows 7 64 bit then the 32 bit
version. Does this mean I must install a 64 bits Oracle client too??

Groetjes,
Wim

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 19:47, Joseph Charpak
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:09:03 +0000
Mark Lerch wrote:

> Well someone is bound to blab at some point soon so it might as well
> be me. We're now in possession of Delphi XE2, which allows the
> building of 64 bit Windows applications. My strong guess is we'll
be
> able to provide 64-bit Toad the version after Toad 11, which is
> probably going to be in the spring. We still have a number of our
> third party vendors we're waiting on.
>
> Congratulations CodeGear team, it looks like a great product so far.
> Embarcadero has gone to really extraordinary lengths to try to
> prevent us from purchasing it in order to damage Toad as much as
> possible.
>

Raise the roof! Woot! (Insert other expressions of joy as needed).

Joseph Charpak

Yes – you will need to have 64-bit client if you use 64-bit app (e.g.
toad).

But as for speed – it’s a total misconception that 64-bit is faster.
In fact in many cases it’s slower by a few percentage points. The only
real advantage is larger memory space. In toad terms that basically amounts to
you can load more data in grids – which means you’ll use that extra
memory. But then your network admin is going to come see you for sending oodles
of packets across the network. And the DBA is going to come to see you to see
why you’re downloading so much data to your PC.

Basically – read this as no real advantage to 64-bit.

Disclaimer – I am a 64-bit bigot and have been since the first AMD-64
chips came out. So I love 64-bit. But I know what the truth is regarding its
benefits J

Bert

It’s got to be faster if it doesn’t have to swap to disk.

Best regards,
Mike

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…and the Linux and mac osx versions are on there way too? :wink:

On 9/1/2011 12:09 PM, Mark Lerch wrote:

Well someone is bound to blab at some point soon so it might as well be me. We’re now in possession of Delphi XE2, which allows the building of 64 bit Windows applications. My strong guess is we’ll be able to provide 64-bit Toad the version after Toad 11, which is probably going to be in the spring. We still have a number of our third party vendors we’re waiting on.

Congratulations CodeGear team, it looks like a great product so far. Embarcadero has gone to really extraordinary lengths to try to prevent us from purchasing it in order to damage Toad as much as possible.

already available

I’m one of the admins… So no problem there ;-). Thanks for the
confirmation. I was afraid of the speed, the memory could be nice. Sometimes I
had to load tons of data to export and forget to uncheck the box for not reading
it into the grid. That could be nice.

Groetjes,
Wim

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 20:29, Bert Scalzo wrote:

Yes – you will need to have 64-bit client if you use 64-bit app (e.g.
toad).

 

But as for speed – it’s a total misconception that 64-bit is faster. In
fact in many cases it’s slower by a few percentage points. The only real
advantage is larger memory space. In toad terms that basically amounts to
you can load more data in grids – which means you’ll use that extra
memory. But then your network admin is going to come see you for sending
oodles of packets across the network. And the DBA is going to come to see
you to see why you’re downloading so much data to your PC.

 

Basically – read this as no real advantage to 64-bit.

 

Disclaimer – I am a 64-bit bigot and have been since the first AMD-64
chips came out. So I love 64-bit. But I know what the truth is regarding its
benefits J

 

Bert

Embarcadero has gone to really extraordinary

lengths to try to prevent us from purchasing it

It really is a pity some companies choose to compete on political grounds and
interference rather than on the merits of their product(s).

Well… I guess if Embarcadero has such a poor view of its own products it
has to step outside the products merits to such an extent, there’s really
no reason for me to evaluate the products.

Roger S.

you’ll still want to remember to uncheck that box. Unless the number of
rows is small and the query executes slowly, it’ll always go faster with
that box unchecked. It’s processing in addition to memory.

On 9/1/2011 3:29 PM, Mark Lerch wrote:

already available

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/overview.html

Of course. What was I thinking.

It really runs like a champ on Fusion. I run it there when on the road with a Macbook. It has the additional benefits of being able to be suspended, (including the Oracle session you’re in the middle of if it’s a local db) and resumed exactly where it left off, for instance midway down a dataset. It’s very impressive to see that when your machine has been powered down for a few weeks.

Toad on a Mac wouldn’t be Toad since it would/should look completely different, since the interfaces are considerably different and the experience of the software comes with a completely different set of expectations. It would be a ground-up rewrite, and to be done right, have a heavy emphasis on the design of the interface.

Amazon sells Fusion for 50 bucks. Probably one of the best deals in software today.

Hi Mark,

It really runs like a champ on Fusion. I run it there when
on the road with a Macbook. It has the additional benefits
of being able to be suspended, (including the Oracle session
you’re in the middle of if it’s a local db) and resumed
exactly where it left off, for instance midway down a
dataset. It’s very impressive to see that when your machine
has been powered down for a few weeks.

Yup! I have Oracle running under various “other” Linuxes on my laptop. I
love being able to suspend the VM for a week or two and then starting it
again from where I left off!

Cheers,
Norm. [TeamT]

Norman Dunbar
Contract Senior Oracle DBA
Capgemini Database Team (EA)
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External : 0113 231 2051

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